The General Lee

The plantation owners and extended kin made an attempt at culture. The accent of a southern gentleman was reminiscent and descended from a noble English accent. Investment in furniture, architecture, quisine, and formal education were the order of the day for a successful southern society man.

One difference then between the North and the South is still there today. The northerner is assumed more inellectual, while the southern fellow could be assumed to be better schooled in the manly arts of riding, hunting, fencing, shooting, fisticuffs and the like.

Of course those racist whites down south should remember they aren't as white as they could be. Three hundred years is a long time for "massah" to be dippin' the wick.

Ah but the plantation system itself was carried upon the shoulders of slaves. Thus was the luxury of attempting culture. The intellectual vs. practical thing may remain, but only so far as guns and car repair, I'd imagine.

Swampy Highground

If the slave-owners were tainted by their practice of slavery, is the influence all-pervasive? If so, doesn't that mean that the taint encompassed the nation? The economies were intertwined. The federal government allowed slavery for hundreds of years. All slaves were not declared free except as a war-time tactic to weaken the South. Lincoln himself did not approve of racial blending.

But you are right, because in the end, you have to look at who benefitted and who was injured for motivation and culpability.

This points the finger, collectively, at Southern society as a whole. But does this mean Scarlet O'hara and all her kin deserved to be butt-raped by every buck on the plantation? Well, they got it good enough from William Tecumseh Sherman.

Re: Swampy Highground

"This points the finger, collectively, at Southern society as a whole. But does this mean Scarlet O'hara and all her kin deserved to be butt-raped by every buck on the plantation?"

No but my point is, what can the flag o' the South stand for that is not built upon the platform of slavery? I'm hardly saying the civil war was an act of philanthropy on the side of the north, they obviously had their own motivations... But that doesn't change the fact that, as far as I'm aware, the South had any rich culture, any nobility, that could and would still stand without slavery. If you want to be particularly controversal, look at New England today to the South of today. NE is much better off economically, environmentally, high cultural(in terms of access to global and modern culture, as well as it's own. Again the culture of the south is deeply entrenched in slave culture, the voudon and creole culture of the slaves, and the plantation culture of the whites)... I mean how many "Girls Gone Wild... Providence, RI" tapes have you heard of?

The South... Well the South is still re-enacting a war they lost long ago, facing the high cost of the varities of crimes that come with heterogenus societies. This would be an appropriate fate suffered, if the blacks didn't suffer from the same costs. The North has since moved on.

Bo and Luke were Octaroons

I won't contest the slave-nature of the southern flag. That rag was all about perpetuating slavery and they probably had slaves sew 'em up. Slavery could be almost fair if everyone was born slave and then you had to work your way out. But for black skin to mean slave, that is truly wrong. The only thing that flag should be on is toilet paper.

Re: Bo and Luke were Octaroons

oh and I thought a lil B-rape would have been justified for some of them

Theoretically it could stand for the modern disillusionment of white southerners in regards to their economic situation - bereft of historical significance. Though, in practice it remains a symbol of racial hatred, no longer limited to the south.

Good way of putting it, though that's not high on the 'thigns to be proud of' :p

On the other hand, does that make it ill-fitting for the remake?